God's wrath involved in infernos in Oklahoma and Texas? Not. Just cause and effect.

Paul Norwood watches helplessly as his neighbor's home is destroyed by wildfires in eastern Oklahoma County, Thursday, April 9, 2009. These homes are in Oakwood East Addition, near SE 15 and Westminster. Photo by Jim Beckel, The Oklahoman

The damage is pretty severe.Homes that caught fire were completely lost.Had no chance.

Many are homeless today in Oklahoma. Many who thought that it could not happen to them.

Not God's wrath. Just cause and effect.

Driven from their homes by a fire that consumed everything dear to them.

As many did when they voted to allow Rep. Randy Terrells bill 1804 ...

http://www.tulsaworld.com/webextra/content/2007/1804bill/default.aspx

...become law ,driving many Hispanics from the homes they had established for years in Oklahoma .

I still see vacant homes abandoned and still sitting empty. There is no one to rent them.

Now there will be...irony. These legal citizens renting the prior homes of the"illegals"!

Cause and effect.


NewsOK :‘The worst disaster in Midwest City history’(Video)


NewsOk Photos

Satellite Image april 9th

a Plea to President Obama...The truth will set you and US(A) Free . Be as courageous as JFK and expose the Agenda. Disempower "them" with the truth.St

To the Honorable Office of the President of the United States of America , Mr. President Obama hear this plea and appeal for Justice from your people by this mechanism of truth set out before in this letter,initiated by President John F. Kennedy and paid with his life. Do the courageous act set forth by precedence . Disempower the Agenda by revealing these truths.Restore the Constitutionality of the Treasury. Implement this Executive Order.DISEMPOWER AND DISENFRANCHISE THE ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL FEDERAL RESERVE.Thank you for bravely doing what should have done long ago...

Document 100.1.3.2.0 31 of 39........
"The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to
destroy the Americans freedom and before I leave office I must inform the
Citizen of his plight." PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY(10 days before he was
murdered)

http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/jfkeo/eo/11110.htm

Executive Order 11110

AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 10289
AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE PERFORMANCE OF
CERTAIN FUNCTIONS AFFECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 301 of title 3 of the United States Code, it is ordered as follows:

SECTION 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 19, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended --

(a) By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j):

"(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12, 1933, as amended (31 U.S.C. 821 (b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denominations of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption," and

(b) By revoking subparagraphs (b) and (c) of paragraph 2 thereof.

SEC. 2. The amendment made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue and may be enforced as if said amendments had not been made.

JOHN F. KENNEDY

THE WHITE HOUSE,
June 4, 1963.

www.kamron.com/economics/kennedy.htm

Kennedy's Solution

President Kennedy recognized that our financial system was flawed. He planned to eliminate the Federal Reserve's contrived control mechanism on our future. He signed executive order 11110 as a first step. Executive Order 11110 issued on June 4, 1963 gave the President the Authority to order the United States Treasury "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury."

For every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce a certificate or warehouse receipt to be used as money. This followed IMO the constitution's requirement that the government provide the medium of exchange and it follows the coinage act requirements. Basing the monetary system on silver and not gold was also very important because silver is abundant and very difficult to control. Kennedy issued nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes and was introducing them into circulation, with a plan to continue until sufficient currency was in circulation to manage the flow of goods and services. The ramifications of this bill are enormous. President Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. When enough of his United States Notes were in circulation he would eliminate the Federal Reserve notes.

The Federal Reserve Act was ruled Unconstitutional in 1968. The National Banking Act was ruled Unconstitutional.

THE CREDIT RIVER DECISION
INTRODUCTION :
A Minnesota Trial Court's decision holding the Federal Reserve Act unconstitutional and VOID; holding the National Banking Act unconstitutional and VOID; declaring a mortgage acquired by the First National Bank of Montgomery, Minnesota in the regular course of its business, along with the foreclosure and the sheriff's sale, to be VOID.

http://www.jail4judges.org/JNJ_Library/2005/2005-02-02B.html


The Office of Public Liaison & Intergovernmental Affairs (OPL-IGA) is the front door to the White House through which everyone can participate and inform the work of the President.

History of Letters to Pastor Kouri/Front Line Church

History of Letters to Pastor Kouri/Front Line Church


ViewWednesday, October 1, 2008 6:31:33 PM
To:pkouri@frontlinechurch.tv

I'm the "new " guy that has been attending the thurs and sun services that usually sits or stands in the back...
Teodoro Leon III...I have included a collage that shows me and my family..some of them anyway.
I have attempted to attend the bible study on tuesday but have encountered a little resistance to my presence for one reaon or another..I did not want to take the stage or upshow the person presenting the study and have left. The guy "Brad"(kitchen manager,CRM) was going to be an alpha male that I had not the time or patience to deal with that day I saw you there,so I left.
This last time I was confronted on the pendant that I wear...and yes ,it is unusual...originally(I guess,Wiccan pendant) intended for those that"practice Magick.I donot practice "Magick".
I'm not wiccan. I am the Magick. Made in the image of God ,Himself.
I am son of God. I claim it. I have understandind,by the grace of God and the Holy Spirit,a gift of the Christ ,Jesus.

"I must leave you ,for if I donot leave you the Holy Spirit will not come to you,hence the reason I must leave you..."

A good friend who is devoutly a follower of Christ found the pendant in the mud and he knew what it was but was prompted by the Holy Spirit to present it as a gift to me.
I sanctified it. God is All Powerfull.
The dragon at the top is the dragon of eastern thought(mysticism) who is the enabler of human empowerment.
http://myspace.com./blackpearldragon

The symbol of protection is on the cross(star within a circle) as Jesus said to me ,"Pick up your cross and follow me." Not his cross,mine.

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/john/john16.htm
7 But I tell you the truth, it is better for you that I go. For if I do not go, the Advocate will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you.
84 And when he comes he will convict the world in regard to sin and righteousness and condemnation:
9 sin, because they do not believe in me;
10 righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will no longer see me;
11condemnation, because the ruler of this world has been condemned.
12"I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
So,I hope to see you soon.

I explained the verse in 1Cor6:9 to this man i met at the last attempt to attend the study as he was hostile to fact that a girl had a Catholic bible in her car that she could have used ...so I asked him which bible translation was Holy and which one he was using...He was using the NAS. The translation is not a correct rendering and only until recently have the Catholics corrected their intentional,hypocritical mistranslation due to cause and effect, an injustice is paid with an injustice...the "SEX Scandal" not only within the Universal Church but among many of the protestant faiths.It cost them all alot in many different areas,finances,prestige,attendance...etc.
They are slowly trying to correct these injustices...but fear hinders them.Imagine having to explain an agenda and motive that has driven them to lie and corrupt.It will all be okay..I'm here to help..lol.

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/1corinthians/1corinthians6.htm
Here's the passage and the true rendering of the greek(took alot of courage on the Admin. part..hahaha) and the footnotes.

8 Instead, you inflict injustice and cheat, and this to brothers.
9 2 3 Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites
Footnotes:
3 [9] The Greek word translated as boy prostitutes may refer to catamites, i.e., boys or young men who were kept for purposes of prostitution, a practice not uncommon in the Greco-Roman world. In Greek mythology this was the function of Ganymede, the "cupbearer of the gods," whose Latin name was Catamitus. The term translated Sodomites refers to adult males who indulged in homosexual practices with such boys.
Boys kept in the temple for the use of sex.

Sound familiar?Priests,Pastors,deacons and altar boys.
It had nothing to do with two honest and moral people in a functional ,healthy relationship for love and companionship.
Well, I'll see you later.sincerely ,Teodoro Leon III.



A letter I wrote to someone else than Kouri who I sent to:
ViewWednesday, October 1, 2008 6:34:57 PM
To:Pastor Josh Kouri

Yes that word is dark and should never be used except in relating it to what I had written. The cause of division and hate. The dark. He is dark for he has no wisdom...separated from the presence of the Father...enraged ,alone,the prodigal son.The most cunning and cherished of God's creatures and angels received his inheritance early and squandered it for he had no wisdom out of the presence of the Father,God creator of all.
We must not fall into that self deception.
Christ commanded us to forgive our greatest enemy, informedly.
Are we courageous enough to ask for the Holy Spirit's Wisdom, the gift of Jesus, our Lord?
All of God's creation must return to the Father to be healed..to made whole.The prodigal son.“But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you (John 16:7)Don't be scared.God is courage and Love.Wisdom.Teodoro Leon III. I teach this to Methodist and Catholics at their request.




ViewThursday, October 2, 2008 5:43:16 PM
To:lioner2@yahoo.com

Dear Theodoro,I am responding to your emails. First I care about you as a person and do not intend to hurt your feelings. Second I care more about the people God has put in my care at Frontline. So I want you to know that after reading your emails I am very concerned about you. You seem to have many unstable and unscriptural ideas that could hurt immature believers. I will be instructing our pastors to watch you closely and pay attention to your behavior. That does not mean I am saying you can't come to Frontline. I am just telling you that I have many red flags about what I have read. I hope you are able to stay at Frontline, be humble and teachable and grow in simple and pure devotion to Jesus the only begotten Son of God.Sincerely,Josh KouriPastorFrontline Church


My response,justifiably.
ViewThursday, October 2, 2008 7:04:34 PM
To:Josh Kouri joshkouri@cox.net

Why don't you be more specific as to what you 're "so" concerned about.
Unstable and unscriptual?You are not specific and you are vague for a reason.
What I call ,you call, "corporate " worship. You serve "mammon", who is a demon.

You've made inquiries as to who I am and that is good. Now you've been put on notice by those you are complicit with in profitting off the suffering of the poor and dysfunctional and you will have no excuse as to why you will impose the Fate that will befall those of you who claim to "Pastor" in the name of Jesus.
Tim Ulrich is one of those that does the will of his father,along with those associated with CRM.Have I not looked into your form 990's?
Big Money.
The "Big" sales pitch at the end of your sermons? Very classy and scriptural.
So lecture me some more about humbleness and teachability.Teach me how Jesus overturned the vendors and money changers tables due to their greed and insolence to God the Father..
You don't know me...but many well versed,educated men who are willing to respond to the Holy Spirit's prompting do know me.In many different denominations with a better understanding of bible verse and history than those you allow to mislead and promote an agenda of hate and division.
Now,if you are so inclined,tell me which part of my letters do you take offense at...pharisee?

Your selective and caught in a game of usury.
Am I claiming to be Jesus? Of course not.
Now your disposition of faith and your inability to really do God's work will impose on you and your followers a humbling. You had no idea that what you claim in the name of Jesus and His Father through the Holy Spirit would make you responsible and accountable to Him?
You felt what you felt while I was in your presence and it was no lie...but now you rationalize and deny that which was good due to your associations of fear,guilt and shame.
I didn't come to impose myself, your own actions brought me.I was invited.
Now I've been rejected 3 times.Excellent. You have blasphemed against the Holy Spirit and I hope you at least read Christ's words on those matters and to cause and effect.
I will/have nothing to do with what will befall you and those that you are so concerned about...you want sheeple? Those who will follow you with out question.For a reason.You serve Mammon.
Let me reiterate...many men more learned than you know me who are willing to do God's work and they have the proper respect for the gifts that I am granted through the Holy Spirit.
You'll feel it at your 7:00 pm sermon. I won't be there.You'll get this letter afterwards.Then you'll remember. You insulted me for all the wrong reasons, so be it.
Now,to rectify this self imposition of calamity write me back that which you claim is unstable and unscriptural.That's why I sent you the links...verifiable passages,no matter which translation you use!Ask Tim Ulrich and "Rev." Glenn Cranfield if the calamities in their lives is enough for them to do the right thing?I guess they wanted to draw you into their suffering.Now watch!And pray.
Ask Richard Webb if his $95,000 salary is justified at the Mission,a Christian Mission
http://homelessokc.blogspot.com/2008/06/city-rescue-mission-finances.html (under Schedule A Part I Compensation of the five highest paid employess)

Matthew 18: 5-7 5"And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

Now is this what you are referring to?About me?
Which is the sin?Answer!
Or are you leading these children seeking the Father astray by limiting their true understanding of Jesus?And those that you follow. And those that follow you.For Mammon.
These are Jesus's words...

http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew6.htm
22 14 "The lamp of the body is the eye. If your eye is sound, your whole body will be filled with light;
23 but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be in darkness. And if the light in you is darkness, how great will the darkness be.
2415 "No one can serve two masters. He will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."

Now one last point.Do you have access to the original greek and hebrew texts of the Gospels?
The Vatican has had them in the archives from the beginning.
They have kept them secluded,limiting the children.But no longer.
The Nag Hammadi scripts,the Dead Sea Scrolls,Qumran Scrolls...etc. have forced them to acknowledge the truth of the agenda and motive and at the least you have been greatly deceived, if at the most, you are complicit.Why the urgency?The time is near for the healing of our Nation.
Why do I care? You've been gifted. Don't let these men lead you astray and those that follow you with you into the pit.

" I will be instructing our pastors to watch you closely and pay attention to your behavior."
For yours and their sake I hope that you meant this as a compliment(I do have a sense of humor)as I am obedient to the will of the Father.What is Gods will?
To draw all of creation to Him so that He may embrace and heal them .

http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew23.htm
37 19 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how many times I yearned to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her young under her wings, but you were unwilling!
38 Behold, your house will be abandoned, desolate.
39 I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"

Sincerely,Teodoro Leon III = God's gift like a Lion.
http://reservedmind.blogspot.com/2006/12/welcome.html

Remember Your Oath

EVOLUTION by KORN

"The high office of the president has been used to foment a plot to destroy America's freedom..."JFK,Nov.12,1963

read comments here at article on newsvine(click here)

The McCormack-Dickstein Committee was established to investigate a homegrown American fascist plot hatched in 1933. Here’s how the BBC promoted its recent story:

“Document uncovers details of a planned coup in the USA in 1933 by right-wing American businessmen. The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush´s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression. Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American democracy.”

G. W. Bush and Adolf Hitler signed a Directive 51

For the same bloody reason.

Quote :If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator. - G. W. Bush

“The high office of the president has been used to foment a plot to destroy America’s freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizens of this plight.” - President John F. Kennedy, November 12, 1963.

Date of Kennedy Assassination : NOV.22, 1963


The speech that got John F. Kennedy Killed
JFK before the American Newspaper Publishers Association where he warns the press about the secret societies that are the real power in global affairs.

transcript of main point(youtube)short compilation

JFK Library/Complete Transcript:The President and the Press: Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association www.jfklibrary.org

JFK:

"...The very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society.And we are as a people,inherently and historically ,opposed to secret societies,to secret oaths and secret proceedings.We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it.Even today,there's little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating it's arbitrary restrictions.Even today there's little value in ensuring the survival of our Nation if our traditions do not survive with it.And there is a very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be ceased upon by those anxious to expend it's meaning to the very limits of censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit, to the extent that it's in my control.And no official in my administration whether his rank is high or low ,civilian or military should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news.To stifle dissent , to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press or the public the facts they deserve to know.For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding it's sphere of influence on infiltration instead of invasion ,on subversion instead of elections,on intimidation istead of free choice,on guerillas by night instead of armies by day.It is a system that has conscripted vast human and material resources into a building of a tightly knit,highly efficient machine that combines military,diplomatic,intelligence,economic,scientific and political operations.It's preparations are concealed ,not published. it's mistakes are buried , not headlined.It's dissenters are silenced ,not praised.No expenditure is questioned,no rumor is printed,no secret is revealed. ..
It is the unprecedented nature of this challenge that also gives rise to your second obligation--an obligation which I share. And that is our obligation to inform and alert the American people--to make certain that they possess all the facts that they need, and understand them as well--the perils, the prospects, the purposes of our program and the choices that we face.

No President should fear public scrutiny of his program. For from that scrutiny comes understanding; and from that understanding comes support or opposition. And both are necessary. I am not asking your newspapers to support the Administration, but I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. For I have complete confidence in the response and dedication of our citizens whenever they are fully informed.

I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers--I welcome it. This Administration intends to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: "An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it." We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors; and we expect you to point them out when we miss them.

Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed--and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First Amendment-- the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution- -not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and the sentimental, not to simply "give the public what it wants"--but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold, educate and sometimes even anger public opinion.

This means greater coverage and analysis of international news--for it is no longer far away and foreign but close at hand and local. It means greater attention to improved understanding of the news as well as improved transmission. And it means, finally, that government at all levels, must meet its obligation to provide you with the fullest possible information outside the narrowest limits of national security--and we intend to do it.

III

It was early in the Seventeenth Century that Francis Bacon remarked on three recent inventions already transforming the world: the compass, gunpowder and the printing press. Now the links between the nations first forged by the compass have made us all citizens of the world, the hopes and threats of one becoming the hopes and threats of us all. In that one world's efforts to live together, the evolution of gunpowder to its ultimate limit has warned mankind of the terrible consequences of failure.

And so it is to the printing press--to the recorder of man's deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the courier of his news--that we look for strength and assistance, confident that with your help man will be what he was born to be: free and independent. "

Audio/Video JFK-Secret societies PT1 - Unedited

JFK-Secret societies PT2 - Unedited Audio/Video

President John F Kennedy Secret Society Speech version 2(5:42)


Men implementing this Coup D'etat by Private Military Worried,"Where is the administration/America going?Anywhere?" What about our Constitution? Newsvine Article

SMOM...has plans.

Order of the Knights of Malta
The Sovereign Military Order of Malta
The 'Chosen Ones' Are Coming by Sue Bradley March, 2008
RaidersNewsNetwork.com Click here for info SMOM

BlackwaterWorldwide is more than just a "private army", much more than just another capitalist war-profiteering business operation. It is an army operating outside all laws, outside and above the US Constitution and yet is controlled by people within and outside our government whose allegiance is primarily to the foreign Vatican state. In other words, Blackwater is a religious army serving the Pope in Rome through the Order of Malta, which is itself considered under international law, as a sovereign entity with special diplomatic powers and privileges. Like Blackwater, the Order of Malta is "untouchable" because it is at the heart of the elite aristocracy.The Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM) is ideologically and historically allied with international Bavarian Illuminism, ultimately sharing the same goal of bloodline supremacy, whether their members accept this or not. The grades and levels of The Knight of Malta and The Knight Templar are the Rosicrucian upper-degrees of Freemasonry, and clearly reveal their heritage.

From my comment on newsvine#2.5 click here for article
But a corporate Army that is equal to or surpasses the domestic military in numbers with access to federal resources?And you forgot to include foreign agents such as Instinctive Shooting International,an Israeli owned corporation.
DynCorp,American Security Group,Wackenhut,Kroll and the Israeli company Instinctive Shooting International already here in our country ,courtesy of your beloved facade your so-called government has indoctrinated .
Educating the public as to this crisis is imperative.
"In 1999, an episode with DynCorp in Bosnia was particularly embarrassing for the U.S. military. A Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) lawsuit was filed against DynCorp employees stationed in Bosnia, which found: "employees and supervisors from DynCorp were engaging in perverse, illegal and inhumane behavior and were purchasing illegal weapons, women, forged passports and participating in other immoral acts."
Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army
The rest of my comment on Bush declares national emergency over north korea.
A question posed by a reader."Now I'm no Blackwater expert, but do you believe that Blackwater could take on the entire US Airforce, Army, and Navy? It's seems a little unlikely to me."
They dont' have to...(continued below)because with 289,00 out of 1.3 million of our service members overseas that is where they better serve an agenda.Isolated.1,000's of miles away...from us.
Comment#2.6
A Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) lawsuit needs to filed as it was with DynCorp,initiated by a formal complaint with the FBI under the Omnibus Crime Law . These men and their corporations,along with certain individuals across our spectrum of government,along with private individuals and organizations are complicit in Treason through an attempt of the deriding and attempted abolishment of the USA Constitution for the action of a Coup d'etat of the United States of America.
It has already started,these acts of treason, the coup d'etat.
Initiate an investigation. We still have courageous men and women within our government who are also true patriots and adherents to the Constitution they swore,under God, to uphold at risk of life. I am one.Lets Spar.I've got something on my side they are well aware of...they know and cannot deny it.
comment#3
No apologies for this ...it is way too important not to put it back up on this seed.Nearing,indulge me if you can...if not I guess you will delete it.
Just a good reason to implement NSPD 51.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html
National Security Presidential Directive 51(2) In this directive: (a) "Category" refers to the categories of executive departments and agencies listed in Annex A to this directive; (b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions;
Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location,...
http://homelessokc.newsvine.com/_news/2008/06/24/1607017-supporter-of-administration-or-not-the-question-begswhere-is-the-administrationamerica-goinganywhere-what-about-our-constitution
A question posed by a reader."Now I'm no Blackwater expert, but do you believe that Blackwater could take on the entire US Airforce, Army, and Navy? It's seems a little unlikely to me."

Private Military Corporations.
They(PMC) would not have to under NSPD51 (National Security Presidential Directive 51).
They(PMC) would be executing officers and NCO's that refused to adhere/conform to this suspension of the Constitution.
This is a test balloon!They are not accountable! Never have been! What lies in the classified part of NSPD 51?Why was Homeland Security Committee member Peter DeFazio denied access to this classified document?
200,000 mercs under Blackwater in IRAQ Now.
289,000 of our 1.3 million troops are overseas, with 140,000 of those in Iraq. Blackwater has over 200,000 mercs there right now. With flak jackets and plenty of ammo.
NSPD-51 What I find very disturbing is that it goes beyond Marshal Law and the suspension of Habeaus Corpus to include Tribal Governments and private sector owners under direct control of the Enduring Constitutional Government. Private Military Companies such as Blackwater,DynCorp,American Security Group,Wackenhut,Kroll and the Israeli company Instinctive Shooting International . Many of these personnel are foreign,hardened Dogs of War from the most atrocious "conflicts" around the world.Chile,South Africa,Bosnia,Serbia,Croatia,former SSR's,Venezuela,Colombia...etc.etc.Motivated by extreme salaries/incentives in comparison to their own countries rate of exchange.The leaders of these tribal government may be more than willing to conform due to the great profit they have been baited with in the form of their very lucrative Casinos and Gaming Centers, though they are considered Sovereign Nations.
Don't worry ,your 2 minutes will be better used in the future as you run for your sacred lives from the private foreign mercenary armies of Blackwater,DynCorp,American Security Group,Wackenhut,Kroll and the Israeli company Instinctive Shooting International already here in our country ,courtesy of your beloved facade your so-called government has indoctrinated .
from comment #6.6
http://nearing.newsvine.com/_news/2008/07/09/1651986-breaking-fisa-passes-senate?r=1205452186&threadId=309873&cmt=2154288#c2154288
You all have been indoctrinated well.I don't blame you for your gullibility. In a constitutional government you are supposed have hope and recourse. It's not a constitutional GOVERNMENT!! READ!!NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT. What is it going to take for you to WAKE UP???
Your children dying in a orgy of Blood letting? Start thinking now...NOW. Make Plans!
Not,in case.
This is the CASE. Why suspend or abolish the CONSTITUTION?WHY? To enslave!!
It's not by some mistake or flux.To enslave.What can we do? WAKE UP,FIRST!Then wake your neighbor and friends. The obvious will be apparent soon. from comment #6.6
comment#5
My comment above was edited and censored after posting...has happened before,part of the material was removed that referred to Blackwater,Erik Prince and the SMOM.Here it is...

"The 'Chosen Ones' Are Coming
The Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM) is ideologically and historically allied with international Bavarian Illuminism, ultimately sharing the same goal of bloodline supremacy .
Newer players in this deadly and secretive sodality are finding various levels of concealment and disguise.In 2005, Pentagon Inspector General Joseph Edward Schmitz quit in to work for BlackwaterUSA. Schmitz is a member of Opus Dei and Knights of Malta, and at least $2 trillion went "missing" from the Pentagon during his watch.Blackwater is more than just a "private army", much more than just another capitalist war-profiteering business operation. It is an army operating outside all laws, outside and above the US Constitution and yet is controlled by people within and outside our government whose allegiance is primarily to the foreign Vatican state. In other words, Blackwater is a religious army serving the Pope in Rome through the Order of Malta, which is itself considered under international law, as a sovereign entity with special diplomatic powers and privileges. Like Blackwater, the Order of Malta is "untouchable" because it is at the heart of the elite aristocracy.

Within a decade, BlackwaterUSA has become BlackwaterWorld and the largest and most powerful mercenary army in the world. Who or WHAT is behind this organization and where can it be leading?....

In October, 2007, NEWSWEEK magazine featured an exclusive interview with Erik Prince,
"The Man Behind Blackwater."
Born in Holland, Michigan of Dutch heritage, Erik Prince appears to have an interest in all things Prussian.
In LaFayette Park in Washington DC a statue of \Revolutionary War figure General Wilhelm von Steuben. With a history of Jesuit instruction, it was to training and discipline that General von Steuben credits his success.
It is to this same intensity and purity of purpose that Prince ascribes and feels called to carry out.
In 1995, upon the death of Prince’s father Ed, Gary Bauer wrote,
"Ed Prince was not an empire builder. He was a Kingdom builder."
According to NEWSWEEK, Prince’s "own story suggests a restless search for higher forces and powers, for a kind of martial and religious purity that is not sullied or bogged down by bureaucrats and nosy reporters.

Naomi Wolf, the author of THE END OF AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT speaks of the ten "blueprint checks" which precede "the closing down" of a democracy:
1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2. Create a gulag
3. Develop a thug caste
4. Set up an internal surveillance system
5. Harass citizens' groups
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7. Target key individuals
8. Control the press
9. Dissent equals treason
10. Suspend the rule of law "
Comment #6.1
It(they) edited the comment again,leaving out the links and the final paragraphs..so ,sigh ,here is the link and the last two paragraphs to the above post.
this is the way(below) it was typed...totally left out...they(it's all related) are trying their best to see that they frustrate every effort to get this info out...
From above link: http://www.raidersnewsnetwork.com/full.php?news=13734

Other ‘notable’ members of SMOM include:
Tony Blair, Pat Buchanan ,William F. Buckley, Jr. Precott Bush, Jr. Edward Egan (Archbishop NY), Licio Gelli, Ted Kennedy ,David Rockefeller ,Oliver North, George H.W Bush
From above link: http://www.raidersnewsnetwork.com/full.php?news=13734 typing it in here without the hypertext transfer protocol and www. raidersnewsnetwork.com/full.php?news=13734

Entitled "The Chosen Ones are Coming" March 16,2008 by Sue BradleyMarch, 2008RaidersNewsNetwork.com

Jordanian MP Jamal Muhammad Abidat, from an editorial in the United Arab Emirates daily AL-BAYAN entitled "The Knights of Malta - more than a conspiracy,"
writes,"…when the Knights of Malta began their operations as a Christian militia whose mission it was to defend the land conquered by the Crusaders. These memories return violently to mind with the discovery of links between the so-called security firms in Iraq such as Blackwater have historic links with the Order of Malta. You cannot exaggerate it. The Order of Malta is a hidden government or the most mysterious government in the world."

Thank you for bearing with me and these lapses...lol.
Order of the Knights of Malta,Google video

"I'm not a Paulist, firsthand . . "

Forgive my curiosity, Teodoro Leon III, but I just have to ask, "Why not?"

First,because I follow Jesus,the Christ.The Messiah.
Paul did not go and visit with Peter and James (the brother of Jesus) for 3 years,for a reason.
Much of the writings attributed to Paul go contrary to what Jesus taught and how he interacted with people."I shall not allow a woman to teach or speak" goes contrary to the allowance of women who followed Jesus and sat at His feet for instruction and fellowship.Jesus went against Palestinian Judaic norms of those times by acknowledging women and valuing them in a place at his side.
Many scholars are convinced that the Letters to the Hebrews are not even attributed to Pauls disciples,some even removing Pauls name completely from the translation in new texts.(Catholic).Question is ...why is it still included at all in the new bibles in print?Poetry?

Hebrews Introduction NAB(click here to read)
Another reason is because 13 books are still "somewhat "attributed to him or his disciples...though they are beautiful at times and poetic(I'll even say that some are wisdom inspired) but the question begs why only 4 Gospels and 13 letters of Paul? For the purpose of limitation and distraction. The Gospels that "were "included don't even match up ,to meet an agenda and motive,though they could not edit "all" of Jesus actions and words or it would look like nonsense. Who? The administration under Emperor Constantine who compliled the "New Testament".And sure they used the excuse of heresy then to limit inclusion, but no longer,as the Gospel of Thomas is now referenced in good light by the Universal Church. Why? To sideline the family of Jesus...to brush aside the women who played a prominent role in the life and times of the Christ. Mary Magdalene,Joanna,Martha...his own sisters...his brothers. For the simple fact of greed,prestige and the service of mammon,consolidation of wealth and control.To extinguish the flame of the Desposyni,the Sangreal.
Luke 8:1-3(click here to go to bible page) 1 Afterward he journeyed from one town and village to another, preaching and proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. Accompanying him were the Twelve 2 and some women who had been cured of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary, called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, 3 Joanna, the wife of Herod's steward Chuza, Susanna, and many others who provided for them out of their resources.
Matthew(click here to go to bible page) 13:54-57 54 He came to his native place and taught the people in their synagogue. They were astonished and said, "Where did this man get such wisdom and mighty deeds?55 Is he not the carpenter's son? Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? 56 Are not his sisters all with us? Where did this man get all this?" 57 And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his native place and in his own house."

Some Roman Catholics claim that these “brothers” were actually Jesus’ cousins. However, in each instance, the specific Greek word for “brother” is used. While the word can refer to other relatives, its normal and literal meaning is a physical brother. There was a Greek word for cousin, and it was not used. Further, if they were Jesus’ cousins, why would they so often be described as being with Mary, Jesus’ mother? There is nothing in the context of His mother and brothers coming to see Him that even hints that they were anyone other than His literal, blood-related half-brothers.(click here to go to source)

I am Roman Catholic . The "Ever Virgin" denotation of Mary is blasphemy considering it went against Judaic norms of the times to remain celibate for the length of the marriage. Or to not have further children ,a curse from God Himself.
An agenda and motive is unfolding ,unraveling and this "Universal Church" is learning the hard way of cause and effect,hypocrisy and injustice, due to the sands of the desert literally giving up what they thought was dead and gone...Nag Hammadi texts,Qumran Scrolls,Dead Sea Scrolls...they have always had the written History and the true manuscripts in the Vatican archives. Example of profound correction due to cause and effect...the letter of Paul to the Corinthians 1;6:9.Used to be the vague word "homosexual" used and now the true rendering...due to the "Sex Scandal" and the sands revealing the truth.
1Cor6:8-9(click here to go to bible page and footnote) 8Instead, you inflict injustice and cheat, and this to brothers. 9 Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites .
Read the footnotes at the bottom of the page and you'll ,hopefully,see why an injustice is paid with an injustice.


One more thing about the perpetual virginity of Mary and how they could not edit everything out...as they had no Wisdom.
Matthew1:24-25(click here to go to bible page) 24When Joseph awoke, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took his wife into his home. 25 He had no relations with her until she bore a son, 12 and he named him Jesus.
UNTIL!

Love is like..worth beyond measure!

From 9/17/2008

Today at the 12:00 pm Mass at St Joseph's in Oklahoma City ,Sister Susan Clark (Carmelite) read the Letter of Paul to the Corinthians below. She is very adept at conveying feeling into her vocalization. She is fluent and articulate.

As she proceeded through the reading she came to the passage that read..."but do not have love, I am nothing.
If I give away everything I own,
and if I hand my body over so that I may boast
but do not have love, I gain nothing...." she started choking up with emotion, her voice quivered and her eyes welled up with tears as she turned her gaze to me. She was very moved by these words and as she continued all the congregation could tell that she was moved and that these words had special meaning to her...it was beautiful. Her display. Many were overcome with this transference of love and understanding...this grasping of the Wisdom and Beauty that was conveyed by her reading and display of her humanity...her humility.I know she felt the presence of God and His Love for her and her response indicated to me that she gained an insight into the mercy and compassion of the Father and His son, Jesus Christ. She shared it with us .Through the Holy Spirit.Amen.

Blessed be God forever!

Reading 1
1 Cor 12:31-13:13

Brothers and sisters:
Strive eagerly for the greatest spiritual gifts.

But I shall show you a still more excellent way.

If I speak in human and angelic tongues
but do not have love,
I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.
And if I have the gift of prophecy
and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge;
if I have all faith so as to move mountains,
but do not have love, I am nothing.
If I give away everything I own,
and if I hand my body over so that I may boast
but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient, love is kind.
It is not jealous, love is not pompous,
it is not inflated, it is not rude,
it does not seek its own interests,
it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury,
it does not rejoice over wrongdoing
but rejoices with the truth.
It bears all things, believes all things,
hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never fails.
If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing;
if tongues, they will cease;
if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.
For we know partially and we prophesy partially,
but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child,
think as a child, reason as a child;
when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror,
but then face to face.
At present I know partially;
then I shall know fully, as I am fully known.
So faith, hope, love remain, these three;
but the greatest of these is love.

Responsorial PsalmPs 33:2-3, 4-5, 12 and 22

R. (12) Blessed the people the Lord has chosen to be his own.
Give thanks to the LORD on the harp;
with the ten stringed lyre chant his praises.
Sing to him a new song;
pluck the strings skillfully, with shouts of gladness.
R. Blessed the people the Lord has chosen to be his own.
For upright is the word of the LORD,
and all his works are trustworthy.
He loves justice and right;
of the kindness of the LORD the earth is full.
R. Blessed the people the Lord has chosen to be his own.
Blessed the nation whose God is the LORD,
the people he has chosen for his own inheritance.
May your kindness, O LORD, be upon us
who have put our hope in you.
R. Blessed the people the Lord has chosen to be his own.

Reading IIPhil 2:6-11
Gospel
Lk 7:31-35

Jesus said to the crowds:
"To what shall I compare the people of this generation?
What are they like?
They are like children who sit in the marketplace and call to one another,

'We played the flute for you, but you did not dance.
We sang a dirge, but you did not weep.'

For John the Baptist came neither eating food nor drinking wine,
and you said, 'He is possessed by a demon.'
The Son of Man came eating and drinking and you said,
'Look, he is a glutton and a drunkard,
a friend of tax collectors and sinners.'
But wisdom is vindicated by all her children."

Todays reading from the New American Bible 9/17...click here

National Security Groups Hostile,Prejudice,Discriminatory,Ignorant Security Guards in the Myriad Gardens,OKC .

To whom it may concern;
Please be aware that at 9:35 a.m. 9/04/08, at the Myriad Gardens fountain area I was
confronted by very hostile employees of Total Protection that claimed employment with National Security Group.
I had walked through the Gardens and a bird had defecated on my boots(black military,Bates combat ) and having just polished them didn't want the corrosiveness of the fecal matter setting in(they are water proof) so noticing the fountain I stepped in ankle deep into the pool and rinsed them off,it didn't take longer than 20 seconds and I was out.Job done.
Immediately three of your employees came upon me from across the street in a white golf car;an excessively overweight black woman, a black man who identified himself as Lucas and a
white man.
The woman started "yelling"(literally) that she had told me many times before that I was not to bathe in the pool while people with "marathon tags" pinned to their chests were walking back to their cars after the marathon, which I was there to cover for newsvine.com/oklahoma city , a media outlet of MSNBC. I work for them.
http://homelessokc.newsvine.com
I tried to explain to her that I had never spoken to her and that to please use her common sense, as I was not "bathing" or had ever "bathed" in the fountain.She kept on yelling.
That's when the employee who identified himself as "Lucas" got off the cart and started to approach me stating that I was now trespassing and would be arrested.The other male employee reluctantly started approaching me, also.I tried to explain, in the heat of the moment, that I worked for newsvine.com and that one of my main targets was the homeless, though I was not "homeless". I do carry a backpack.laptop.lunch.
Your employees scoffed and smirked. This is why I provided the link to my column. I am well known amongst the downtown community including the people in positions of power and prestige.DA's office,Homeless Alliance,Catholic Charities...many of the denominational church=
's,Pastor's,administrations...etc.
My work involves re-assimilating "all" in our community to a functional and healthy relationship with each other so that embarrassments may be avoided and that cause and ef=
fect may be progressed positively.
I told the female employee directly that her behavior was not only an embarrassment to your company,the passing pedestrians(you should have seen the look of shock on their faces at her hostility) but the city as a whole...these actions reflecting badly on our visitors and residents to the downtown area, considering I was in the parking lot of the Colcord Hotel when "assaulted".
No legal action will be taken,considering civil rights were violated concerning freedom of movement and stop and seizure,on my part if you will just educate these employees as to what is ethically,morally actionable to combat the troubles associated with the actions and behaviors of just a few dysfunctionalindividuals.
I've never seen anyone bathing during the day in the fountains.
I "have" seen residents and visitors of our downtown area cooling their feet in the fountains while enjoying the scenery and many of these people do carry backpacks.
Now being selective as to who these rules will be enforced upon is called "discrimination".
Yelling and screaming and attempting to physically detain citizens due to a perceived prejudice and then lying is called assault , battery,slander and libel.
Please to not make yourselves a party to this injustice.
My concern is that your employees have threatened me now with trespassing if I step again on the property of the Myriad Gardens. I will send a copy of this letter to the manager and the foundation of the Myriad Gardens to ensure that this is not brushed under the table or belittled and to make all aware of their liability.
And I will also write and publish this article and letter on newsvine.com to ensure that this does not happen again.
This is not a threat.Just insurance.
Please correct this so that I can write an article that shows your company in good light in the future and how it is attempting to ensure "security" and "Total Protection" for all without prejudice and discrimination.Ignorance.
Sincerely ,Teodoro Leon III.
RSVP.I want you to clarify that I may walk in freedom in a public park without harassment,retribution or threats from your employees by writing me back stating this.Thank you.
http://www.nationalsecuritygroup.com/public/Investors/CodeOfConduct.
aspx
"Preface:The National Security Group, Inc. (the Company) desires to promote honest and ethical conduct and deter wrongdoing at all levels of the organization."

Ignorance,Arrogance,Hardness of Heart amongst the people.

This is the history of comments and responses to comments by me and others concerning the Execution of Troy Anthony Davis in Georgia.This MZTRUTHBTOLD was the instigation of the revealing attitudes,but not the cause or blame for above article title,just a small part of the belief in their uniqueness.

MZTRUTHBTOLD
I AM SO SICK OF THIS DELAY I USED TO LIVE IN SAVANNAH. I'M A BLACK WOMAN AND YES I USED TO WORK WITH THIS MAN'S MOTHER. HE WAS NOTHING BUT A MENACE TO SOCIETY, A THUG, DRUG DEALER, ETC., ,WHO COULD DO NO WRONG IN HIS MOTHER OR SISTER'S EYES. MARK MCPHAIL WAS MY FRIEND A VERY DEAR FRIEND AND I FIND ALL OF THIS APPALLING. THE MAN SHOT MARK IN THE CHEST, AND STOOD OVER HIM AND ASKED HIM IF HE LOVED JESUS AND MARK SAID YES AND THAT PUNK SAID SAY YOUR PRAYERS AND SHOT HIM IN THE FACE. WHY THESE WITNESSES ARE RECANTING THEIR STORY IS BEYOND ME. ALL I KNOW IS GOD KNOWS THE TRUTH, WHAT'S DONE IN THE DARK WILL ALWAYS COME TO LIGHT. I WASN'T A WITNESS BUT THE TALK ABOUT WHAT HE DID WAS ALL OVER SAVANNAH. AND THEN HIS MOTHER HELPED HIM GET OUT OF SAVANNAH BY DRESSING HIM UP AS A WOMAN. GO FIGURE.
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!#13 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:48 PM CDT

rdixiesunrise61
Has his mother been brought up on charges for harboring a fugitive? she should be.
Thanks for your side of the story. I hope he gets what he deserves.
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!#13.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:23 AM CDT

Teodoro Leon 3
I would be more inclined to believe that what you related in your "statement' was not slanderous gossip ,if not just an outright lie if you had filled out your Bio,seeded some articles,voted on other articles since the last/only time or at least commented on them.This will be sent to the email you provided that you used to sign on to newsvine.traceable.At least respond by commenting on your comment and stating where you worked with troy's mother...I suspect you are what we newsviners call a troll.As you should now know...troy was granted a stay of execution by no other than the US Supreme Court who were all in recess and convened a special hearing to grant this stay.Do you not know that you will be also held accountable for your maliciousness and lies?The Almighty is well aware of the hate you spout and the time is near.I just pray that you at least make an attempt to make better informed opinions if this the case.Especially you rdixiesunrise61,promoting this type of malfeasance.He was really your friend? Then why do you not want real justice for who killed him?Good friend you are...with friends like you who needs enemies?Please respond...I sent you an email through the "contact author" link,though you are no author.
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!#13.2 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:28 PM CDT

Teodoro Leon 3
I would be more inclined to believe that what you related in your "statement' was not slanderous gossip ,if not just an outright lie if you had filled out your Bio,put a avatar,seeded some articles,voted on other articles since the last/only time or at least commented on them since you signed up to newsvine 9/08.This will be sent to the email you provided that you used to sign on to newsvine.traceable.At least respond by commenting on your comment and stating where you worked with troy's mother...I suspect you are what we newsviners call a troll.As you should now know...troy was granted a stay of execution by no other than the US Supreme Court who were all in recess and convened a special hearing to grant this stay.Do you not know that you will be also held accountable for your maliciousness and lies?The Almighty is well aware of the hate you spout and the time is near.I just pray that you at least make an attempt to make better informed opinions if this the case.
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!#13.3 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:30 PM CDT

MZTRUTHBTOLD
I USED TO LIVE IN SAVANNAH AND I BEG TO DIFFER, WE ARE NOT TROY DAVIS THAT MAN WAS A MENACE, A BULLY, A THEIF, A DRUG DEALER AND THUG WHO COULD DO NO WRONG IN HIS MOTHER'S EYES. AND YES I AM A BLACK WOMAN AND I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED THIS MESS HAS GONE TOO FAR. MARK MCCPHAIL WAS MY FRIEND, MY BUDDY. TROY DID IT AND WILL ANSWER TO GOD NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES THE COURTS UPHOLD AND GIVE HIM A STAY. HIS MOTHER HELPED HIM GET OUT OF SAVANNAH AFTER HE KILLED MARK BY DRESSING HIM UP AS A WOMAN. BUT U WON'T SEE THAT ON THE NEWS. YOU ALSO WON'T HEAR HOW THE REST OF SAVANNAH HEARD HOW TROY ASKED MARK AFTER HE SHOT HIM IN THE CHEST IF HE LOVED JESUS AND WHEN MARK SAID YES HE SAID GOOD CAUSE YOU'RE ABOUT TO MEET HIM AND SHOT HIM IN HIS FACE. HIS MOTHER AND SISTER PUT HIM UP ON A PEDESTAL AND HE KNOWS HE WAS WRONG.I WASN'T A WITNESS BUT THAT WAS THE WORD ON THE STREET BACK THEN AND RECANTED BY THE WITNESSESS. RIGHT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IS WRONG, HE WILL REAP WHAT HE SOWS. I AM PISSED. I FEEL SORRY FOR HIS FAMILY BUT NOT FOR HIM.
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!#14 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:01 PM CDT

Teodoro Leon 3
"I WASN'T A WITNESS BUT THAT WAS THE WORD ON THE STREET BACK THEN
Did you also know Troy?It seems you are relating slanderous gossip.."

We are all Troy Davis

Tell me this is a lie...
"Troy was waiting to go into the Marine Corps. He had transferred to night school where he completed his high school education in order to take care of my sister who was paralyzed from the neck down. So he worked during the day and took care of my sister while my mom was working; did her hair, catheterized her, because she couldn't do anything for herself."
Were you hoodwinked?

!#14.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:52 PM CDT

nearing
MZTRUTHBTOLD,
I feel sorry for you that you feel sorry for people who are happily awaiting the death of another human being.
Put aside the glaring inconsistencies in the trial and that Troy could very well be an innocent man.
Revenge does not bring peace to anyone. If you wish for and work towards the killing of a man your mind is constantly filled with negative thoughts. This is not good for you and not good for those around you.
The law of cause and effect will not be on your side if you are a revengeful person.
Only compassion and forgiveness can set the family of a murder victim free.

!#14.2 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:36 PM CDT

nearing
"I AM SO SICK OF THIS DELAY...
I KNOW IS GOD KNOWS THE TRUTH "

What is with so-called christians and godly-people routing for a man to be killed?
Am I crazy or isn't one of the commandments Thou Shall Not Kill? There is no except there either.

!#24.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:06 PM CDT

jbdaad
I`m with you nearing.

!#24.2 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:44 PM CDT

Ms CYPRAH
Am I crazy or isn't one of the commandments Thou Shall Not Kill? There is no except there either.
One would have thought so, nearing. As plain as daylight. but I guess religious people always interpret their holy books to suit themselves!! :o(

!#24.3 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:11 PM CDT

Miss Dev
I love when I get to whip this out.
!#24.4 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:45 PM CDT

Ms CYPRAH
Great one! LOL
!#24.5 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:02 PM CDT

KyanaBelle
Now, now Ladies...let's not throw out the babies with the bathwater. You can't judge everyone of faith by the actions of the slim percentages that are loud igmoes.
I love when I get to whip this out.
And this is F%&$ing hysterical! LOL!
!#24.6 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:18 PM CDT

Danny McGee
"Am I crazy or isn't one of the commandments Thou Shall Not Kill? There is no except there either."

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but actually, there is an "except." Once Israel was established after Moses' people finished their trek through the desert, a more complete set of laws and punishments was set up by God in Leviticus, Dueteronomy, etc., and they included the death penalty for...well, just about anything. Idolatry, adultery, blasphemy, heresy, homosexuality, even cursing one's parents are all punishable by death according to the old Law. Modern day Christians have softened it up a lot, but there's definitely a lot of Biblical precedent for State-sanctioned execution.

!#24.7 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:26 PM CDT

nearing
So, the Commandments were re-written? So is that to say that god was lying or just kidding the first time he said it?
How do these 'christians' reconcile that with what Jesus said in Matthew 25?
How do they reconcile all of the contradictions in the bible?
Seems a pretty good reason to shun religion, imo.

!#24.8 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:47 PM CDT

Danny McGee
"So, the Commandments were re-written? So is that to say that god was lying or just kidding the first time he said it?"
Not really rewritten...more like expounded upon. What started as a really, really general moral code turned into a much more thorough set of laws, statutes and punishments.
How do these 'christians' reconcile that with what Jesus said in Matthew 25?
There are three separate parables in this chapter...which verse/verses are you talking about?
How do they reconcile all of the contradictions in the bible?
Err...cough.... Maybe this isn't the best thread to discuss this, all things considered. :)

!#24.9 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:38 AM CDT

Teodoro Leon 3
Bull...
"a more complete set of laws and punishments was set up by God in Leviticus, Dueteronomy, etc., and they included the death penalty for"

These new laws were a suggestion by good ol Baal worshipper,jethro the high priest of Midian,the high priest of Baal at a the request of himself to Moses.Deceiving Moses,Exodus 18...13 The next day Moses sat in judgment for the people, who waited about him from morning until evening. 14 When his father-in-law saw all that he was doing for the people, he inquired, "What sort of thing is this that you are doing for the people? Why do you sit alone while all the people have to stand about you from morning till evening?" 15 Moses answered his father-in-law, "The people come to me to consult God. 16 Whenever they have a disagreement, they come to me to have me settle the matter between them and make known to them God's decisions and regulations." 17 "You are not acting wisely," his father-in-law replied.
God does not contradict Himself...in fact he states..."You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you ...

!#24.10 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:08 PM CDT

Teodoro Leon 3
And this is one of the better threads to discuss this considering we are writing about the death penalty...which goes against one of the MAJOR commandments due to distortions,ignorance,hardness of heart,mistranslations,agendas and motives. "You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you ... This was given right after Moses was given the Commandments. deuteronomy 1 "Now, Israel, hear the statutes and decrees which I am teaching you to observe, that you may live, and may enter in and take possession of the land which the LORD, the God of your fathers, is giving you. And many of the "New" laws were prescribed by these very unwise ,macho Judges that were hand selected with a little help from the father -in -law of moses ,jethro ,the High priest of Midian...yes, what "god" did he worship before moses received the duty that he was imposed .Jethro never repents or breaks his vow to serve Baal...he was the high priest!
Here proof of the contempt for women these people had even for women who had been raped... This is what you must do when a man has sexual intercourse with a virgin who is engaged to another man. If this happens in a city, take them to the gate of the city and stone them to death. The girl must die because she was in a city and didn't scream for help. The man must die because he had sex with another man's wife. You must get rid of this evil.

!#24.11 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:53 PM CDT

Teodoro Leon 3
Sorry for a few posts...we need to combat this death Penalty with what they profess to be their basis ...biblical distortions and editing....Don't forget Jethro is the high priest of Baal. He never repents and rejects his god. There is no statement that he accepts Jehovah as his god. Even Satan refers to God as God he just never submits to God as his God. Jethro is also a "Kenite", a descendant of Cain .
Judges 1:16 And the children of the Kenite, Moses' father in law, ...
Once Moses had appointed hundreds of judges as Jethro had instructed they were helpless. All these judges and not a single page of laws to enforce. The only thing left out of the Biblical account is the part where all these judges say "Well, what do we do now? Moses we need LAWS!"
I did not write this or claim that it is 100% accurate...but pretty close.
Judges1:16 2 The descendants of the Kenite, Moses' father-in-law, came up with the Judahites from the city of palms to the desert at Arad (which is in the Negeb). But they later left and settled among the Amalekites. 17 Judah then went with his brother Simeon, and they defeated the Canaanites who dwelt in Zephath. After having doomed the city to destruction, they renamed it Hormah.
Now also read the footnotes and get a good solid foundation on education to combat this obscene, evil Death Penalty.Fight fire with Fire.

!#24.12 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:15 PM CDT

vas
How about you guys seed or write an article about the Biblical justification or condemnation of the death penalty, and move this there?

!#24.13 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:21 PM CDT

Rhiannon1774
AMEN!!!

!#24.14 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:24 PM CDT

vas
Oh, and TL3... your comments where you turn whole paragraphs into links are hard on the eyes. And LOUD. Would you mind toning them down a bit? Maybe I'm getting old, so please indulge me ;)
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!#24.15 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:34 PM CDT

KyanaBelle
I agree - please. Debates of this nature can be very divisive and we have a real nice "team work" feeling going on here. Let's not mess it up. Respect everyone's right to their own beliefs. It's not necessary to dissect it.

!#24.16 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:37 PM CDT

Danny McGee
Teodoro: I'll respond to this with an article on my column sometime today and post a link back here when I'm finished. :) 0
!#24.17 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:16 AM CDT

Teodoro Leon 3
You know what? I'm tired of your crap and self edification. I responded to a comment with links to verify " Your" truths.These were very relevant as to why Troy, a black man,is on Death Row.I'll do you all a favor by respecting your "beliefs" ,as distorted and indoctrinated as they are...I'll never respond, need to look at your "articles".Why don't you slap yourself on your backs...give yourselves a RAV?!!But , I would suggest to you all that you really educate yourselves as to how you all have been greatly deceived,by your own ignorance,arrogance and closed -minded-ness.Really educate yourselves.Just one last "quote"..."the blind leading the blind shall both fall..."I've had enough of your belittlement and ridicule.And please delete my comments...as "worthless and inflammatory" as they are...I've copied and pasted them to my other sites.

!#24.18 - Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:43 AM CDT